Before It Was Mainstream
Before It Was Mainstream shares rare interviews from the Hieronimus & Co archive, hosted by Dr. Bob Hieronimus and Dr. Zohara Hieronimus. For over 40 years, they spoke with pioneers in spirituality, metaphysics, esoteric traditions, UFO research, holistic healing, alternative science, and the New Paradigm movement.
Each episode brings listeners timeless insights from visionaries who explored consciousness, hidden wisdom, and healing practices long before they entered the mainstream. Whether you’re curious about astrology, sacred traditions, or spiritual teachers, this podcast offers essential context for today’s seekers.
Discover the roots of modern spirituality through conversations that remain as relevant now as when they were first recorded. Full interviews available at 21stCenturyRadio.com
Episodes

Tuesday Nov 04, 2025
Tuesday Nov 04, 2025
Ghost writer Arthur Myers chats with Dr. Bob during this 1990 Dr. Bob Show Halloween special. Myers clarifies the difference between a ghost and a poltergeist and shares his favorite haunted landmarks from around the US. Make sure to also check out his appearance just months prior to this interview in which he shares more ghostly tales about celebrity specters like Mae West, Judy Garland, and John Lennon!
Full-length interviews are available at the Hieronimus & Co online archive.

Wednesday Oct 22, 2025
Wednesday Oct 22, 2025
Zoh interviews Caiyam Carroll (known as “Cain” at the time) about his book The Spiritual Practice of Walking, Standing, Sitting and Lying Down and what it means to live a truly integrated and embodied spiritual practice. Carroll emphasizes somatic awareness as a key to being a student of our human experience and allowing life to be our teacher.
Head to 21stcenturyradio.com to find the full interview and more information about Carroll.

Wednesday Sep 24, 2025
Wednesday Sep 24, 2025
From the cutting floor: Zoh offers clarity on how money can change the nature of the healing exchange, plus guidance for identifying the right spiritual teacher.
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Wednesday Sep 17, 2025
Wednesday Sep 17, 2025
Dr. Zoh sits down for another new interview to discuss paranormal experiences. The Hieronimuses discussed these throughout their years on the air with the aim of normalizing the human ability to sense things that are often hard to explain: apparitions of divine beings, guidance from ancestors long deceased, or images from a past lives, for example. Plus Zoh shares her own paranormal experience and what she's learned about refining the extrasensory abilities that characterize such an occurrence.
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Thursday Sep 11, 2025
Thursday Sep 11, 2025
Dr. Daniel Foor is a ritualist and teacher whose work helps people of all backgrounds access ancestral medicine. Foor emphasizes the reclamation of ritual arts as a method to connect with our near and distant ancestors and thus make meaning of our current incarnation. In conversation with Dr. Zoh, Daniel provides a culturally rich framework for a relationship-centered pathway toward communal healing.
To hear the full interview, head to the Hieronimus & Co online archive.
To find the book and learn more about Daniel Foor's work, visit ancestralmedicine.org

Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
Jim B. Tucker, M.D. is Bonner-Lowry Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry and Neurobehavioral Sciences at the University of Virginia. Up until his retirement, he was Director of the UVA Division of Perceptual Studies, where he continued the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson with children who report memories of previous lives. In this interview, Tucker joins Dr. Zoh to share his research and discuss the confounding questions of life after death, the nature of consciousness, and what happens when we listen to children.
Listen to the full episode via the Hieronimus & Co online archive.

Tuesday Aug 26, 2025
Tuesday Aug 26, 2025
Marcel Vogel, founder of Psychic Research Inc and influential bioenergetics researcher returned to the Dr. Bob Show just months after his first appearance to share more on his findings. Vogel dedicated his life to studying the energies of thought, prayer, and meditation and how to use crystals to amplify these energies. Vogel speaks with a few callers and shares about how the human energy field connects to that of water and the Earth.
Listen to the full interview on the Hieronimus & Co website.

Friday Aug 15, 2025
Friday Aug 15, 2025
Dr. Marcel Vogel made his first appearance on 21st Century Radio in early 1988. A former materials scientist, Vogel founded Psychic Research Inc. just years before, dedicating the rest of his life to the study of bioenergetics, including the use of crystals for energetic healing. Vogel answers questions on how crystal formations interact with human energy, the proper way to cleanse crystals, and how they can support meditation and prayer. Finally, he conducts an on-air experiment using these principles. You can find more information about Dr. Vogel's legacy (including an archive Psychic Research Inc Newsletters) at marcelvogel.org. To listen to the full interview, head to the Hieronimus & Co online archive.

Thursday Aug 07, 2025
Thursday Aug 07, 2025
Dr. Allan J. Hamilton, M.D. joins Dr. Bob to discuss his experiences witnessing near-death experiences, premonitions, and other unexplained events in over 30 years as a neurosurgeon and how these experiences changed his perception of medicine, life, and the human spirit. These stories are shared in his book The Scalpel and the Soul: Encounters with Surgery, the Supernatural, and the Healing Power of Hope.
To hear the full interview with Dr. Hamilton, head to 21stcenturyradio.com.

Thursday Jul 31, 2025
Thursday Jul 31, 2025
In this 1988 interview, Drs. Bob and Zoh talk with energetic healer, educator, author, and former NASA physicist Barbara Brennan about her research on the human energetic field. Brennan describes the nature of the aura, how it's been measured, and leads listeners through an exercise to see their own energy. A caller also shares his experience seeing the human aura. At the time, Brennan had just released her highly influential book Hands of Light: A Guide to Healing the Human Energy Field which is available now through the Barbara Brennan School of Healing.
Full episode available to stream on the Hieronimus & Co archive.






